Sorry I have not gotten back to you and your offer. I would love to have some echiums. I have been looking at where to re-home those horses. Any takers? No, seriously, DD is not really interested in them anymore and balks at taking care of them. There really is not a market to 'sell' those hay-burners and it is chancey for them to fall into the hands of bad folks when you list them for free in places like craigslist. I wonder if there is a place somewhere on cubits or DG to make an offer of these 'fertilizer producers' (see, it is all in marketing).