I actually I have this growing wild in my pasture. I haven't ever been able to get seeds from it, maybe that's why the seeds are so hard to find. I have also tried to move it with no success, the roots are deep and hard to dig down to. It's just starting to come up here now, it's about a foot tall. I'd say seeds would be the best bet at this time of year but that if someone has roots available in fall that would probably be better.