I understand, but I love looking at the leaves of some of these begonias and I had purchased an entire collection that did not do well and I am now looking for a select few that can be used to take cuttings and resell. My old cain like is perfect for that and that baby has paid for itself over and over. It is getting more difficult finding plants that will be fast growers and still be easy to take care of and use as stock plants. I am patient, Thanks . Have a nice weekend.