yes, I have some burning bushes farther down on the property and the deer love to nip off the new growth every year. Thus, they don't get any bigger than what they were when I planted them. I do like them though other than that. I did not consider the viburnum but will look into that. I will also look into the service berry. I don't think grasses would give me the look I am wanting, but I may consider that depending on what else I choose to plant with it. I have some Russian Sage in the front yard and it does poorly, I guess the heavy soil-thinking it likes well draining soil. I even wondered about climbing roses since I am putting in a fence eventually. Not sure what would get large enough to look like a shrub though.