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May 27, 2016 5:40 AM CST
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There is the saying, the blind following the blind. That is, without checking where each source got it information from, resources are usually shared.

I'm banging my head against a brick wall I can see that, personally I prefer to know where, how and when any changes have been made and I'm not seeing that on the CoL. All I'm seeing are some vague references with a date in 2014 for the AnnonBase update which doesn't specifically relate to a certain plant.

So, we are to believe that a guy called Kral identified a new plant which was published somewhere in 1960, and which has taxonomically replaced an already named species which dates from 1840. Great stuff.

Carol, this is the National Gardening Association not just a forum, and I am sure Dave and Trish would like it to be as accurate as possible otherwise credibility is lost. One doesn't pay a fortune for a site in order for people to just enjoy themselves.

The original entry from 1840 in case anyone didn't look at the link, or didn't wait for it to load.

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As any detective would tell you, show me the evidence and the history of how Asimina angustifolia became A. longifolia and if it checks out I will believe you. Remember, both sources us the 1840 as a reference.

I checked on the NYBG for specimens, I found from 1957 "Asimina longifolia var. spatulata Kral ( holotype )" with holotype being the first of it's kind being discovered.

http://sweetgum.nybg.org/vh/sp...

If you look at the link for the NYBG on the Tropicos link for A. longifolia, it's the only record on the NYBG of a herbarium specimen.

http://sweetgum.nybg.org/vh/sp...

The references for A. longifilia on Tropicos are all from the 1990's.

http://tropicos.org/Name/16001...

If you go to the mnhn link then to jstor, you get a list of specimens and book references.

http://plants.jstor.org/search...



Syntype of Asimina angustifolia Rafinesque [family ANNONACEAE] (stored under name); Verified by Raf., 1840

Asimina angustifolia A. Gray [family ANNONACEAE]; Verified by [A. Gray (scripsit) W. T. Kittredge, 2012]

Asimina longifolia Kral [family ANNONACEAE]; , 1957

Asimina pygmaea (Bartram) Dunal [family ANNONACEAE];


A "syntype" is according to google "each of a set of type specimens of equal status, upon which the description and name of a new species is based."

http://plants.jstor.org/stable...

A. longifolia is included in the entry as it's obviously the same plant. First "Verified by Raf., 1840" as A. angustifolia.

As already said, first in time takes priority (with an occasional exception).

Show me the evidence that Kral takes priority.

I rest my case.

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