If you want to know which cultivars have good substance, check them after a hard rain. Those that look unaffected have good substance. Not many will. If you want to see which have excellent substance, check them after having been open all day and THEN gone through rain. The blooms that still look fresh have excellent substance. Few, very few, but they are out there. One trait that is common to those cultivars with good substance is the stiff, waxy texture they carry..