Oh, thank you zuzu, I keep hoping someone will know something. I think the John Paul II might smell stronger, which I would like, but I don't have much room living in a condo, and I think it might take up more room than the JFK. Also, sine the John Paul II is a new rose, I wonder how well it grows. The JFK has a longer history. I was just wondering how the 2 compared, since I have to be very choosy about what I plant due my limited space.