@DogsNDaylilies -- I think I have just decided to save my Papilio pollen and try it on everything that blooms this winter. I have 2 Papilio bulbs so maybe I will have enough pollen - assuming both of them bloom for me this winter. Then I can see what takes and what does not. Need to try to make sure I force the Papilios before the other bulbs -- that might end up being the challenge. Well, we shall see. I you want any pollen from any of my others (not the Papilio), let me know.