longk......thanks for the info...I will zip bag a couple of seeds to see how they do. I grew a lot of salvias in SoCal, but didn't expect to have them do well up here in the damp Northwest and the seeds of various salvias that were still in my seed bags were just leftovers....surprised by how many of them have germinated that I didn't expect to and are doing quite well here. I don't know that Yvonne's would do well here at all, but Dee is quite a ways South of me in drier conditions.....