I don't know. First I talked to Johan Sr, and we had trouble understanding one another, which was probably my fault, I'm not good with even regional dialects here. But my understanding was a lot of the lilies were hybridized in the Netherlands by Mak Leek corp, and then brought here for testing. Afterwards I spoke with Shelly, and she told me most of the lilies were her fathers creations and he was back and forth to the Netherlands. Beautiful creations, whoever is hybridizing them.
