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Jun 22, 2018 7:12 PM CST
Name: Char
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Davi said:
I found Chris' posts very informative and agree that sometime in the future the definition of "cristate" may need a bit of tweaking as forms continue to change..... It's sad, to me, that Mr. Best's forms cannot be found in simple searches. I was curious on how they were registered and saw that he was describing his "beards" as "appendages" in his registrations. That's an interesting term that I haven't considered before! Appendages might cover those random teeth that appear in the middle of petals some day, too!


Cristate, which means (in botany) "bearing any elevated appendage on its surface".

and the official AHS definitions for Sculpted cristate forms:

"Sculpted : A term used to describe three-dimensional structural features involving or emanating from the throat, midrib or elsewhere on the petal surfaces. Sculpted forms belong to one of three different groups: Pleated, Cristate and Relief."

"Cristate: A term that refers to appendages of extra petal tissue growing from the midrib or elsewhere on the surface of the petals."

Note the words "any", "three-dimensional structural features", "appendages", "petal" "surfaces", and "surface", in the above 3 definitions.

When the AHS Scientific Studies Committee and I wrote the definitions for Sculpted forms the appendages you described in your last post were already being seen. Cristate forms frequently produce odd bumps, teeth, fang or claw appendages.
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Cristation on the back petal surface had also been seen, some on one side, some on both sides of the center petal back.
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Petal front...........Petal back
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In fact I registered one with cristation on the petals back surface, Beyond Origami which also is pleated and relief, in 2016. I also have a seedling Curt shared with me a long time ago which has the odd fins growing from various places on the petal surface.
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Oddities have been seen and a few registered over the years, Moon Mountains was registered way back in 1996.


Another strange one was Move over Dolly.
http://www.distinctly.on.ca/pe...

Knowing these oddities were out there is what influenced the wording for the Sculpted definitions making them as inclusive as possible to allow for these and other strange things that may appear in the future. There is absolutely no need for "tweaking" or an "other appendage " group as appendages on the petal surface is the definition of the Sculpted cristate form.


Nothing truer, thoughts of seeing a bed of Sculpted form seedlings blooming will have you up at the crack of dawn....even before they're awake. Won't be long now before they'll be starting here.
Multicolored teeth on the petal surface sounds pretty cool. Thumbs up

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