Trying to make sense out of the second one; try Dtps Sogo Vivien 'Marginata' JC/AOS (Sogo Alice x Phal Zuma's Pixie). If the leaf edges are not varigated, try leaving out the 'marginata'. Just got company, gotta run.
Jim
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