Baja, The last victoria photo is the same size plant as the one before it. The only difference between them are the white lines. I made the varigated one solitary by removing the last of the pups when it was big enough. Around the size of a soccer ball. The one with fewer lines was given to me several years ago with a lot of dead 'older' leaves. I cleaned it up and put it in the ground. It seems to be happy and has grown a little. Now it is about the size of a basketball. So both are mature and I have no idea when they will bloom. I raised the varigated one from a pup and it is 21 years old. All of the other varigated ones are children of the original mother plant.
The Mangave.
So the male parts mature first and one has to pollinate a lower female bloom Stigma.
Likley that is why it did not work for me. I dusted the same flower with the pollen.
The wind did nothing. So maybe it is not self fertile.
Do they really only live one year?
Thigs, I googled A. mapisaga and it did not help. As a green Agave it is the biggest and this one of mine is huge. But of course all the varigated ones on Google were called A. americana.
Since it is not clear I will probably stick with americana. I am going to visit Huntington later this month so maybe I will see something there to convince me.
My Blue Agaves will just have to be A. americana unknown variety. I am happy with both of them. My first one does get droopy leaves and the second one is mostly an upright grower. Meaning the leaves do not bend as much as the first one.
Thanks for the input.