@zuzu Where did you get that 'Pompom'Flower Circus' from, (corrected post for proper name)
@Tish, Nope, as I did not have both of those at the same time. The first ' Reine,' was from a collection, of old roses offered by Park, out of SC. I looked in the database here & only one was almost as dark & the info about the photo mentioned the rose in the photo was at Heritage Park, in Hartford Connecticut. But that really doesn't help, with where it was obtained from. Some offered, list as shades of pink & lilac. I get it, that a bloom can fade, more hours of sunshine, but go look for yourself in the database here.
'la Reine' from a discount store,' bagged' & very inexpensive!
'la Reine Victoria' from Park seed, about 1991