Hmm. thanks Karen for the info. Well, if those in your back bed are from Rose Dawn, co op or not, I think I will order some this year from them. And I have to keep in mind also, that my full sun is about 3 times hotter than yours. But, they will do well in morning sun with afternoon shade I think. And I think I will try wintersowing a few packs of some as well. I take pics. Oh, it is too early for me to be wanting to see Spring. I can hardly wait.