I'm down to 35 roses, on top of the 15 roses that I've already ordered. Now I will sort them by giving the thornless ones priority. I found out some areas I could plant more roses. I'm going to replace some overgrown pigmy palms with roses. These palms are my favorite palms, nothing chew on them, but they are spiky and can acupuncture me or my husband by accident, especially when we get older.