Rooster, welcome, you remind me of me,.,.'dont know everything, but gonna give it a a push along anyway'- A shedfull of liliums here this year, and sold a good lot as well, with many prepaid bulb purchases,..next year will be even better, with the generosity of great members who sent me seeds in the past, some[seedlings] of which are the size of triffids,..,WE 'will' have a brilliant show next year..,IM waiting to smack a 'Buggy ' awesome trumpet on the bench, or a 'Halinar' purple trumpet.,.,or even a groovy pink,..,'I have 3 pink seed lots'-------Things can only get better