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Apr 23, 2020 2:34 PM CST
Name: Christopher
New Brunswick, NJ, USA (Zone 7a)
It reminds me of what I have as 'Bella Donna'. Now the caveat there is that what I have as 'Bella Donna' is a foundling that's rather common in the NJ-PA area, often collected around cemeteries and old homes/gardens. Mine was given to me as a sucker from a plant collected in such a way. It's been known here as 'Bella Donna' for a long time -- I think Leonie Bell actually identified a rose she thought was 'Kazanlik' by matching it to something grown at the Wyck House in Germantown, PA that was called 'Bella Donna' -- and that rose has a documented history at the garden since it was originally purchased and planted. Here is her botanical illustration, labeled as 'Kazanlik' because that's what she thought it was originally.


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But apparently what you get and see as 'Bella Donna' from nurseries and on HelpMeFind nowadays has a lighter petal color -- see below.

https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

The 'Bella Donna' at my job is the "conventional" form with lighter-colored petals, as seen in most of the pics on HelpMeFind -- except this one.

https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

If I recall correctly, the rose in Joe's garden is also a sucker from a collected 'Bella Donna', and possibly from the same source, since we have my source as a friend in common.

Is it a sport? Is it a totally different rose? I don't know. But that button eye, the prickles, the leaves -- it all looks like what I know as that. However, there are quite a few pink Gallicas and Damasks and Hybrid Gallicas (which have Centifolia ancestry) out there, so hopefully someone better acquainted with a larger number of these types will chime in. And after I put all this together in this post, it'd be funny if I was totally wrong! Hahaha.

:-)

~Christopher

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