Cindi - I got my Palatine about 3 weeks ago and all but Summer Sun has leaves on it, but that one has "leaf pimples". I think I'm going to just stick with Palatine if I'm going to order. I'm running out of space and I can usually find 20-30 roses locally that I don't have. I've had a successful beginning of my annual Hunt, so I'm looking forward to this year being a good rose year.