Steve - Ugh. If necessary I guess i can just dig out that section of the garden, dump it (or put it on Craigslist as backfill) and replace it with topsoil. I probably will end up doing that anyways as I hate that section... too much riverrock! I'm going to do a before-after thread one of these years .. the people who owned this house before me completely and utterly ruined the landscape with all the rock they brought in. From what a few older neighbors have said, the original people who owned the house when it was built in '83 had the place looking like a golf course. Then it got sold, then sold again. The 3rd owners were ... lazy? Not interested in keeping up a yard? I don't know. But they basically turned almost the entire property into various ugly rock areas. River rock or pea gravel. There's even a section where they didn't even remove the old rock (Colorado Red), they just plopped the river rock on top of it! Bleh. But I saw where I could overcome the rock and make it much more interesting (and cooler) than rock! Would you like me to send you a Lady Banks? I see them here regularly..