I have been hanging out at the orchid forum, because I grow phragmipedilums and such inside, but this drought really got a lot of my plants and I am sticking to succulents and desert plants from now on (some did survive but they are baked, and may come back next year). I have been busy for the past few weeks getting more creeping sedums and that is when I discovered Sempervivum. I now have about 11 kinds, and chosing places to put them in the garden. Most are Heufeulii though. I have 3 regular hens and chicks. I'm sure at one point I will show a picture or two. The only one I have ready in a picture is called "Red Zinger" and it is supposed to get to about 8" wide and turn dark red. This is it: more or less red and yellow, and maybe 4 inches wide. I have also some arachnoids-- which I like a lot. Although I love the red, (dosen't everyone?) I also love that blue color, and also would like some yellow/white. Oh well I will stop talking. This is immature Red Zinger.