Thank you for your suggestions, Steve. I have done some more studying. Sure is getting confusing!
For example, it seems that many landscape ground covers grow only 2 ft x 3 ft? (Vigorosa series)
I have found a source for Dorothy Perkins and Excelsa (EDIT - wrong! meant Super Dorothy and Super Excelsa) and Cape Diamond, possibly Climbing Pinkie available now, but darn it is a 2.5 hr drive one way. 5 hrs just driving and of course a couple hours there. But at least a possibility. (Southern Mass)
And a nursery that I buy from can order from them IF they sell out of the recently stocked July order just rec'd . Seems I was just 5 days late for that order.
I have been learning a little more than I really wanted to know but you know how that is, a gardener's appetite for plants is a never ending journey!
Here is one that is in bloom on another estate. I think it is a one time bloomer though and faded after a week. It is hovering a stone wall but sends out long canes that I have to keep clipped (someone planted it in the wrong place, or current owner would rather another look (the current one)
Might try cuttings from the above (what the heck, I've done it before!)
I thank you all for your help.
