thank you all so much i understand i was just surprised they were follow your fancy smooth talker count your assets and when stars align nicoles plants are the best and i think it was a combination of just arrived heat soil and whayever i was just shocked since i had just joined this group i knew i had the best resouce and knowledge to turn to from your experiences i can learn thank heavens i knew nicole was so nice and smart so i didnt have the experience to figure it out i called her but she wasnt there i bet she laughed when she heard my newbie message thank you so much wow they are so different but good shape and beautiful huge plants i know all will be great thank you all so much for your help