Thank you, Marilyn, for your response on the PCNs. I bought about 8 at the Fall Regional for region 14. Didn't pay much, thiught it worth trying. Also bought 3 JIs fir experiment. 2 of the JIs came up and all of the PCNs have shot up new leaves. I planted them way too close together but I think that's where they'll have to stay cause I read they are finicky about being moved. Sure hope they all can bloom for me. Even if it's just once. I will baby them until then.