Cl. Queen Elizabeth is always readily available at box stores and nurseries around here. i planted it at every house I lived at because it is easy to train sideways along a fence. It died at this house but the cl. America next to it thrived. I planted a few more of cl. America and Social Climber (aargh, hate that name!) and they do better than cl. Q.E. ever did. I don't have time to look it up, but I suspect both are from the QE bloodline.
Zuzu, some of the nurserymen I've run into get defensive when I refer to Austin roses as shrub roses. Those are "ENGLISH" roses, they say. The Knock Outs and carpet roses are "Shrub" roses. Others just call that class "Landscape" roses. Hmmm. To me, they're all landscape roses because they are part of my landscape. oh well. If they come from England, are they English? Isn't Harkness English? Not all Harkness roses have the old flower form that Austin roses have. When I compare what ARS says with catalogs and HMF, I get even more confused.
It does simplify things a bit to say, if it's not a hybrid tea, an OGR, a grandiflora, a floribunda or a mini, then it's a shrub rose.
