Thank you Betty. The red eyed one does show the beginings of color variation in the red so with fingers crossed the red and white will come through with the eye breaks of the other sdlg and the horrible tan/beige will be left behind
The orange one has incredable relief and was used this year on a variety of sdlgs and reg plants. The long winters up here allow for some clear and obvious thinking for crosses to make that I may not have thought of during the past season.