Thanks so much Arif and Debra. I had to google Zepherine Drouhin climbing rose, its beautiful. I didn't roses did well in the shade. Where did you buy yours from if you don't mind me asking? I always thought hostas were water hogs, thanks for telling me about the two cultivars. Last year I saw some hellebores at Lowes. That's a good idea with the plumerias Arif, I have one that is 3 years old and its never bloomed. Its about three feet tall. I'll probably need to amend the soil significantly since its mainly clay. When we get a lot of rain it constantly floods in this particular area.
