OK, I have RO water, I can use that. I have been thinking that in nature they would fall to the base of the tree they are climbing, lodging in a lot of what is basically compost. What do you think of putting the seeds on a bed of compost and keeping them damp by spraying? It's very hot here right now, but there is a "cold" front coming in this next week and temps should go down into the 80'sF instead of the 90's that we have now. I think I could keep them on damp soil, sitting on top instead of buried, and hope they germinate.