Hi Vicki (et.al) I am just posting here because I was whining about little luck with roses in my climate (W. of Mil, WI) and Zuzu linked me to this forum. Now I don't want to lose it and if I post it makes it easy to get back to. I am verying interested in learning more and will be back when I have time to fully digest what is written here. So far, I'm just happy to see some having success up here in north country. I have some roses but also many sticks. Good forum.