Susan, that is a bummer about Green Envy. Last fall mine was really short and I thought it wasn't going to be useful for a cut flower but this year it is tall. I sure hope it can survive over winter. It's a gorgeous green flower. One of my Cheyenne Spirit I started from seed has a blossom, a red. I'll try and get a photo tomorrow if it's not raining.
Glad you found Hope. I'm not familiar with Ruby Giant, I'll have to check it out.
