Zuzu - A bazillion years ago when I was a kid (1988), we moved from a large city in NM (population about 100,000) to a microscopic hamlet in NM (population 20. Yes, 20. Not 200, not 20,000, but twenty people. period). We moved in the middle of the spring (June) and so it was too late with the move & unpacking & getting settled & stuff to try & plant anything. However, that fall, my mom started getting all these seed catalogs. One of which was Michigan Bulb. She ordered 2 roses (a red & a yellow), some red hot pokers (Kniphofia), shasta daisies, and other plants. Only 1 of the roses (I believe it's Dr. Huey), the red hot pokers, & shasta daisies survived that year. In fact, they're still alive to this day (and grown VERY wild). That's when they used to send out plants worth planting. I ordered from Michigan Bulb last year.. what a joke. Ordered 2 different buddlejas, a rose of sharon, some veronica, & a clematis. The veronica came in slimy, the clematis was a pathetic stick with 2 leaves, the rose of sharon was a dead stick with no leaves, and the buddlejas were about 2" tall. Nothing survived (obviously).