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Sep 20, 2013 12:18 PM CST
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Oh my gosh, the length of this post is staggering! Those of you who are familiar (or unfamiliar) with my boring technical talk might wish to pass on this. I certainly won’t be offended. Big Grin
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The premise:
Cutting green lily stems before they naturally senesce will encourage earlier dormancy of a lily bulb.

Does this work? In all probability, yes. No argument there.
I am just not sure if a simple, immediate transplanting warrants the action, even if that means transplanting with a green stem and in a not so dormant state.

In a case where we would want growth to cease and the metabolic rate decline to its lowest rate earlier than normal for the climate, I perceive this stem cutting technique as useful. As you say Lorn, storage and shipping are eligible situations, where the length of time in this dormant state is undefined. But for a simple transplanting, may I encourage some thoughts outside the box for a moment.

We, as gardeners, tend to have a general rule ingrained in our psyche: the best time to transplant is when it is dormant, whatever time of the year that may be. This paradigm “applies” to all plants, not just lilies, and I compare it to thinking inside the box. I suppose, as a best guess, this is a good standby answer. But my concession here doesn't mean it's always the right or best answer. As an example, it is known that trilliums are best transplanted right after blooming. In fact, Eugene Fox in his book Martagon Lilies states that transplanting martagons is most successful soon after flowering, too.

To the case in point:
For fall transplanting of orientpets (OTs) whose stems senesce too late in the fall or even stay green into early winter, is it beneficial to induce an earlier dormancy that would then seem to coincide with the "best time to transplant"?

Let’s consider our objectives:
1. --- to cause as little stress as possible on the plant.
2. --- to encourage fast, sustained establishment in its new environment.

If we were only to consider #1 as our goal, then definitely, transplanting a lily bulb in its most dormant state would be the optimum choice. The bulb is least vulnerable to outside influences at this time. But I submit that the more important objective is #2 (long term establishment). Is this also accomplished with a bulb in its dormant state? This is what I want to explore.

For the majority of lily types, minimal stress and most successful establishment usually go hand in hand because the natural growth phenology (timing) is synchronized to allow it. That is, both objectives can be accomplished at the same point in time. But for some lilies like OTs, the natural timing of dormancy in our northern climes may put us into winter. Obviously, that’s not the time to be transplanting! So what is one to do? As I see it, we have two basic options:

#1 - Attempt to artificially synchronize growth phenology to encourage dormancy at a more “amenable” time as Lorn suggests, by prematurely cutting down the green stems, or by other means, like withholding water.

#2 - Work with the natural growth pattern of the plant: a “go with the flow” approach.

If it were only that easy…..

OTs are not a natural species, but man made. Futzing with mother nature doesn’t always have perfect results, hence our quandary here. To jump ahead a bit, I’ll let you know that my solution is a hybrid of the options. In a mathematical sense, it seems quite fitting. nodding

Option #2 is scientifically uncharted territory. Although most of us do it, we really don’t know what the ramifications are, or even if those ramifications are relevant. We just guess, trying to find the happy medium between dormancy and length of time for reestablishment. Fortunately, plants are very resilient and forgiving.

Option #1 we know (or think we know) what the intended outcome is: induced early dormancy. Is this necessarily a good thing? What about other side effects? Here is where my thinking diverges from the norm.

Most of us have experienced the difference in subsequent top growth of a bulb planted in the fall versus a bulb planted in the spring. Stems of spring planted bulbs are usually dwarfed in comparison, with flower buds that often abort. This is because a spring planted bulb doesn't have the time to establish itself as well as a fall planted bulb, in preparation for the ensuing rapid spring growth. We know that OTs require a longer time to establish themselves in a new environment than trumpets or asiatics, for instance. So I think it’s important that we keep this characteristic in mind. I think we need to at least preserve the length of time for reestablishment of transplanted OTs, rather than shorten it through early dormancy induction.

---- Theoretically, to achieve a kind of OT bulb dormancy for transplanting, one would need to cut stems weeks in advance to allow for the changeover. But cutting leaves conceivably 2 months before natural senescence would have an impact on potential bulb size, reducing its would be bulk. I don’t see this as a detriment to the lily’s overall health, just its vigor.

---- More important is the actual apparent switch over to a dormancy mode. Is this congruent with objective #2 - sustained reestablishment? It’s a matter of degree, a lily will reestablish no matter what, eventually. But no, I don’t think this is optimal. We must remember that Lilies do not go completely dormant like a tulip. The metabolism slows, but never goes into stasis.
In its uncut (still with green stem), natural state, an OT lily still wants to keep growing underground, still wants to make more roots for good establishment for the ensuing growing season. A plant with foliage has the ability to continue to manufacture additional food and energy for such growth, rather than to draw on its bulb reserves. Does this underground growth still happen after an induced dormancy (by cutting green stems)? Yes, but certainly to a lesser degree than a plant that still has its leaves, or one that is not in the dormant state.

But transplanting with the green stem certainly causes much stress that, in my opinion, cannot be compensated for in the fall, as the transplanted plant will, at least initially, attempt to supply the above ground anatomy with needed nutrients. So this is not optimal either.

My hybrid solution is to retain the green stems up to the time of transplanting, and then cut them. The plant would still be in an active state, but without topgrowth to support, until the effects of cutting the stems induce dormancy. This, in my view, would provide maximum food storage and maximum underground growth potential for reestablishment.
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