Mamajack, I dug umteem of those S. madrensis out of my flower bed a few days ago. Potted some of them up and sat them on the side of the house. All 18 pots perked up and look good enough that I'm taking them to garden club mtg tonight for door prizes. I don't think anything kills 'em! I'm just trying to move them from the front of the beds. They get 4 ft tall and droop over. Really pretty plant, but needs to be corralled....