thanks Greg. I saw that and was immediately impressed with the evolution of the dark plics that we are seeing. I am hoping to take this even farther by blending in some dark from the reddish black side or brownish if you prefer. I am seeing some dark brown in some of the things being done now such as 'Total Darkness' (Jedlicka). I am thinking maybe if I could blend some of that in to take the purple out of the typical dark plic. hmmmmm............mind wanders. where's that red beard?