Yeah, I know Fred. But due to lack of funds, time, space and energy, I'm trying really hard not to add another new element into my daylilies. I only have maybe a dozen or so dips, and most are older. But darn it, they just keep on getting so many beautiful patterned dips that I'm going to cave! Then you have some stunning UFs that are dips, too. I 'm beginning to think, MAYBE, I just want some of everything. Let's see, they spell it ----- ADDICTION!