Thank you so much. I have many things growing in Hamilton Square for which i have no ID as to species and or variety. I love this resource and all of a ATP. Next on my list is about a plant sold as Centaurea gymnocarpa. Ive read that its a hybrid. It doesn't fit in, properly under C. cineraria as describe under plant info on ATP. The trade version has very significant flowers and has a 3-4' height and an 8' foot spread. HamiltonSquare has a one year old plant that is 20" tall and 4' across. The flowers were beautiful mauve and 2" across. Sean O'Hara wrote a scholarly article at gimcw.org on the subject. I'm sure none of this is new news to ATP et al. Any edification would be of interest to me. Sincerely, Leslie Hurlburt