Almost forgot, I have no idea what kind of T. paniculatum showed up here, sorry. It was in a pot for a couple years, then I stuck it in the ground - with not enough elbow room! Are there cultivated hybrids? I'm pretty sure this is just the species. I put some pics in the plant database if memory serves. Also not a plant for a small bed (or someone who doesn't like to trim/deadhead.) Maybe I'll (or more likely DH will) get a good shot of the whole thing sometime, the flowers are very hard to even see in a pic at that distance, and the thin whip-stems they are on. I just really like the foliage for some reason, it's a nice light green.