You got me all excited about the cloner. I git a 25 hole cloner with pump on Ebay for about $70. Went and bought Clonex at the hydroponic store up the street. I'm thinking the cloner will arrive tomorrow. Then I am going to take cuttings of Hedgerows Gold Dogwood and my variegated lilac and maybe a couple other things. All the Ebay sellers are assuming that cloner buyers are all growing pot. Annoys me that they don't think that there are regular gardeners out here wanting to try it. I had bought a Cloner a couple years ago but got too busy to break it out of the box and ended up selling it for more than I paid to someone that was dying to grow her own medical marijuana. Its legal here in this state (Washington) but I'm not interested in it at all, plus it sure isn't legal at my job. Karen M.