Fred - Wow! You really hit the jackpot with the Dragonfly Dawn and Wings of Joy hybrids as well as your Lilian's cultivars! I have 4 Dragonfly Dawn x Dragonfly Dawn seedlings growing from Rich (LA) this year and I can't wait to get blooms to use the pollen or pods to do some hybridizing of that beautiful cultivar! Amazing blooms on each and every one of them!