Thanks, Ken. I have plenty of oak leaves. Since it's so late in the year and my shampoo is still in a pot recovering, I'll let it go dormant in the garage and plant it next year. This year has been a terrible gardening year for me because of problems with degenerative disk disease and sciatica. I received a lot of new plants that I haven't been able to get in the ground, as I was waiting around for hopeful relief from treatments. Looks like I won't be getting any, anytime soon. I'll have to explore different options. Now we are having fall weather already and I'm in no way prepared. My houseplants are still outside, it's raining and supposed to get down to 57 tonight.