Bev, the little stick was planted in the mid 80's. It grew all gnarly on its own. I would grow it in a shallow pot for several years and the plant would grow up exposing new caudex, I would then repot it to a larger shallow pot. I just repotted the plant this year after five years in a 12" by 8" by 3"tall pot that I made just for it. The poor thing had really out grown its pot. It is now in a 13" round by 6" tall pot. There is about 3" of twisted caudex under the soil. It has been fun watching it grow.