Thank you everybody!!! I have heard that all the Hoya experts on now talking on some facebook sites. I really hate Facebook. Forums are much better because you can search for let's say, a type of plant or, type of medium to use. Can you imagine all the scrolling you have to do on Facebook to find an answer to your question, or the tedious questions that are asked over and over again by people like me because its almost impossible to find an answer. That is probably why most of the sites on Hoyas on Facebook are closed. I think they have made a grave mistake by going onto Facebook and not visiting sites like this one. Its OK if you want to talk among yourselves, but than you are not sharing your wisdom with others. So sad. Just my 2 cents worth about it all.