SO ANYWAY...good luck with your pursuit of hardy roses Geof...there are some out there
I'm sure you will be happy with. I highly recommend getting Rugosa Polareis and Rambler Lillian Gibson
from Suzy Verrier at North Creek Farm if shes still offering them. She also has other hardy roses you might want to try.
Shes written some rose books too.
http://northcreekfarm.org/
P.S. I just looked and she does have them.