Heavens Pork, if we don't do something, they are gonna eat us up! I simply cannot stand the little suckers! But seriously Elaine, you are right. I haven't done that in years, and the baits I guess, are the way to go, although Ken's treatment sounded good too. I only did the gas but outs at the edges of the yard. But yeah, I meant business. I wanted NO survivors, and usually there were none.