I do appreciate the intelligent thought that you've put into your responses. I have thought, based on what little I have read so far, that it's a whole 'nother learning curve to get it "right". I did read the permies thread link you posted and am going to check out Mollison. I also read your DG articles and thought that they were very informative. I'm anxious to work out my chop and drop plan as spring cleanup is just days away.