And to further confuse me, my trusty field guide (Plants of the Pacific Northwest Coast) has only one entry, R. discolor, for the two different brambles in my neck of the woods. I've always called the more common one Himalayan, which I believe is R. armeniacus but is alternately listed as R. procerus in my field guide (synonym?) and the less common is I guess R. laciniatus. I'll keep those two in My List and double check my photos. Such a bunch of confusion for what is clear to me two different plants. Thanks for deleting the erroneous photo.
