Yea, these volunteered here too...
Those 2 are actually pretty average...
That's what's hanging me up, my plants get much larger that the large sonchus I'm reading about now, absolutely massive!
I can't really find any that perfectly match mine, maybe it's a less common type or an atypical sport.
Seems they are variable plants, but each one I've seen is identical to the others...
I'm satisfied to know the genus, I'll leave this thread open in case someone has a suggestion on the species!