You have done wonders in just 4 years Sue. I knew from the way your smaller garden looked that this would be magnificent and it is. South Africa. and Vespers make me want to grow more roses. I did win 3 climbers from the not a raffle raffle. All in shades of pink. Not sure how they will fit into my back garden, but will work around them. Love the clay pipes and raised bed. The people across the par from me have chickens. Heard the price of eggs is going up, so you may have the right idea.