I'd be tempted to say Gerry is right they are both males sold to you as self pollinating trees. Meader is the only self pollinating american persimmon out and most grafted persimmons should bear fruit within 2 or 3 years some take up to 5 but not 10 years like pecans. If you need some female sicon to graft on your trees you can contact me this winter. otherwise I'd suggest you purchase a dollywood, early golden, or yates persimmon they bear young often second year. Sorry I'm so late jumping in the conversation I just joined ATP a few days ago,
