Jeanie - I went back and forth between William Baffin and John Davis - not quite sure why I decided on the John Davis, but I have it training up the side of a wooden fence, and hope I can run it across the top. The photo you posted of the W.B. is pretty amazing. I don't have structure that big in the sun - I have a pretty shady yard, so I am only going to be able to find room for so many roses, with out giving up my veg garden or my dahlia beds.